Wednesday, December 4, 2013

Dave MacPherson Discusses Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart!

by Dave MacPherson

      "church"    RAPTURE    "church"
(present age)                     (tribulation)

     In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretrib) rapture in the Bible - and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
     Walvoord's "Rapture Question" (1979) says her view resembles the "partial-rapture view" and Lindsey's "The Rapture" (1983) admits that "she definitely teaches a partial rapture."
     But there's more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only "spiritual" Christians in the rapture and "unspiritual" ones left behind to endure Antichrist's trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists "pretribulationists"!
     Margaret's pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those "filled with the Spirit" would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who've been repeating more than researching, have noted "Church" in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven't known that all partial rapturists see "Church" on earth after their pretrib rapture (see above chart), they've wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
     In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual "Philadelphia" raptured before "the great tribulation" and unspiritual "Laodicea" left on earth.
     In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called "father of dispensationalism" even though he wasn't first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the "Christian Herald."
     Pretrib didn't spring from a "church/Israel" dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a "church/church" one, as we've seen, and was based only on symbols!
     But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and "Jews" would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only "Jews" would face the Antichrist!
     As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews." And he didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 "man child...caught up" symbol he'd "borrowed" (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
     For related articles Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by D.M., "Pretrib Rapture Pride," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "Scholars Weigh My Research." (A number of my articles have been aired on Joe Ortiz's excellent and widely read blogs.) The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is "The Rapture Plot" [Obtainable by calling (800) 643-4645] -  a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.

For information about the author of this blog and his two books, click on The End Times Passover and Why Christians Will Suffer "Great Tribulation" To access the author’s web sites and blogs, click on Joe Ortiz.


  1. Just about everyone I know has heard all about the rapture. I became engrossed in Bible prophecy many years ago. The facts in Dave MacPherson's book (shown above) can keep a person up all night reading them. I have never been sorry that I obtained a copy of it. Thanks to you for keeping blogsters like myself informed.

  2. The Bible is the book of the knowledge of good and evil. The KJV must be rightly divided 2 Tim 2:15 God's way Isa 28:9-10 with his spirit to understand the Bible.
    God chose a woman to deliver Rev 12:5-6 the true word John 1:1, Acts 3:21-23 like unto Moses Deut 18:18 proving the power of God as Elijah Matt 17:3, Luke 1:17. The proof is in the hearing.

    If you claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind then obey God's word Matt 4:4 and prove ALL things 1 Thes 5:20-21 Despise not prophesyings.
    Our heavenly Father will not put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins, whether they repent or not.

    It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing Jer7:31, Jer 19:5. God only gives his Holy Spirit to those who obey him Acts 5:32, Rom 8:9.

    If you are not keeping his commandments, food laws and Holydays his way Matt 4:4 he does not know you Matt 25:12, Luke 13:23-28.

    The true Gospel is now delivered as a witness Matt 24:14 on these websites,

  3. A person can learn more about the long-covered-up history of the pretrib view on this Joe Ortiz blog than if he were to enroll in the average, pretrib-biased Bible school with its pretrib history "blackout"! Irv