tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post3879416268728069091..comments2023-10-18T09:05:56.581-07:00Comments on Why Christians Will Suffer Great Tribulation - Joe Ortiz: Are Jews the chosen people? A Response by Joe Ortiz to this article by Dennis Prager.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09298569870962359507noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-24451555500112397632012-08-05T04:03:10.081-07:002012-08-05T04:03:10.081-07:00To CD Putnam and Allen Stark:
I recommend two boo...To CD Putnam and Allen Stark:<br /><br />I recommend two books that will help enlighten you to some biblical reality. They are written by noted scholar Hans K. LaRondelle, with the titles "Our Creator Redeemer(An Introduction to Biblical Covenant Theology);" and "The Israel of God in Prophecy."<br /><br />If you can place your Premillennial Dispensationalism traing on hold, for a bit, I'm certain you will find these two books (which provide specific Bible scriptre in support of Mr. LaRondelle's study),will be helpful in your respective ministries.<br /><br />Many Blessings to you both!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09298569870962359507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-29376231502725893052011-05-21T12:31:12.833-07:002011-05-21T12:31:12.833-07:00A huge difference between Dennis and Joe is that D...A huge difference between Dennis and Joe is that Dennis does not back up his points with Scripture but Joe pointedly and successfully does back up his points with Scripture! I'll take Scripture over man's opinions any old day. Thank you, Joe, for your much needed blog. <br /> Sincerely, LeonardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-77518172788592757852011-05-19T13:21:26.103-07:002011-05-19T13:21:26.103-07:00Please do not marginalize a brother by simply slap...Please do not marginalize a brother by simply slapping a label on him. <br /><br />In Christ, who is a Jew and who is a gentile? What does scripture say?<br /><br />I am of non-Jewish heritage yet, in Christ, I count myself as one of the grains of sand along the shore or stars in the sky. That being the case must mean that he promise made to Abraham was spiritual not physical. That means further that the body of Christ is the promise fulfilled. IF when a physical descendent of Abraham receives Jesus Christ, he also becomes a spiritual descendent as well.<br /><br />To review my position. The church did not replace Israel. ALL who receive Christ join the family of Abraham. How can the church possibly replace a family that has been built by faith for thousands of years longer than the church is old?David Oldhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01780476636866951425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-16345733890458595002011-05-19T12:35:20.475-07:002011-05-19T12:35:20.475-07:00Joe,
I have to agree with CD Putman. My German Jew...Joe,<br />I have to agree with CD Putman. My German Jewish grandmother taught me the same thing. In case you weren't aware, I am at least one quarter Jewish. I've had the best of both Jewish and Christian upbringing.Allen Starkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712066142541744165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-32514981287777651682011-05-19T11:23:43.147-07:002011-05-19T11:23:43.147-07:00Joe,
It's disingenuous to say you don't ...Joe, <br /><br />It's disingenuous to say you don't advocate replacement theology because your position is exactly what is meant by the label. Alternatively it is called supercessionism but they are one and the same. <br /><br />God's election of the nation is irrevocable: <br /><br />"As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers."(Ro 11:28)<br />And<br /><br />Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.(Ro 11:25)<br /><br />This clearly infers that once the fullness of Gentiles come in Israel will lose their hardness of heart. God really couldn't be much clearer. <br /><br />You are right that the prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus. BUT Christ will not fulfill all the prophecies of the OT until the parousia and the Jews will nationally recognize him as Messiah, <br /><br />“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo."(Zec 12:10-11)<br /><br />Your replacement theology is unbiblical.CD Putnamhttp://www.logosapologia.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8196357958039257138.post-16137070785896202232011-05-19T08:49:24.737-07:002011-05-19T08:49:24.737-07:00“And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will...“And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again," (Romans 11:23)<br /><br />Great text. Jesus welcomes all who will deny themselves, take up their crosses and follow Him. Jesus is not the author of unconditional salvation, but eternal salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first, then also to the Greek. God is not a respecter of persons who consigns people against their will to heaven or hell. All who comply with God's just conditions of obedience of Christ are grafted into the vine of Christ with faithful Abraham. God bless.Richnoreply@blogger.com